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Update Caddy docs #29
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Hi, Thank you for pointing this out. Yes, Stalwart uses HTTP for multiple purposes (JMAP, REST API, ACME, MTA-STS, etc) in addition to the traditional email protocols. The Caddy configuration file in our documentation was a user contribution and I haven't personally tested it. I assumed that the proxy protocol was not supported by Caddy because multiple Stalwart users reported having problems configuring/using the L4 plugin (they couldn't find examples on the Caddy website I believe) and, in addition to this, there were some (probably old?) posts around the internet mentioning that Caddy did not support the proxy protocol. I will ask around in our Discord community to see if any of our users has the L4 plugin working with Stalwart and can contribute their Caddy configuration file to the Stalwart docs. Thanks. |
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Reverse-proxying to plaintext endpoints is totally normal and acceptable if the network is trusted; i.e. the loopback interface or a private network that you trust/control. A common use case is to terminate TLS for backend apps.
I can't answer about Stalwart, but Caddy can be configured to accept self-signed certificates to backends. However, again, if the internal network is trusted/private, no cert may be required at all. |
Yes, the TLS certificates are needed for plain-text connections that are upgraded to TLS with the |
@mdecimus Thank you for you answer. I am working on it and will share my config once everything is running. However, one other thing that I noticed: The docs for setting up traefik suggest that you mount the docker sock into the traefik container. This is questionable in terms of security. The docs should mention that this configuration is just an insecure example. Or even better, the configuration could be improved. Traefik can be configured using a config file instead of docker labels, which requires no access to the docker sock. As an alternative, there a docker sockets proxies, for example https://github.com/wollomatic/socket-proxy and https://github.com/Tecnativa/docker-socket-proxy. If you want, I can open a separate issue for easier issue tracking |
Sure, thank you. Or if you are planning to submit a patch to the documentation, you can include both updated configurations in the same PR. |
Hey, @mdecimus I am no traefik user so I have no idea how to fix or improve the configuration myself. But once I submit a PR for caddy I can add a warning for traefik. So far I didn't use caddy l4 for handling tcp traffic on other ports. Caddy l4 can't handle STARTTLS (afaik), so stalwart will need access to the certificate in any case. It will also break certain stalwart features. For example, if caddy l4 terminates tls traffic on 993 and proxies it to stalwarts 143, stalwart thinks that imap runs on 143 without implicit tls. This results in wrong configuration in autoconfig/autodiscover and wrong entries in "view dns records". Below is my Caddyfile. Any feedback is very welcome. It handles http requests and certificates for stalwart. It will also use the API to reload stalwart after a new certificate was obtained. I am currently very busy myself, but I would like submit a PR and explain the configuration a bit. But it will maybe take a couple of weeks until I can do this. Caddyfile:
Stalwart config.toml:
Additional configuration: Pass an API key as environment variable |
@mdecimus Sorry to bother you with another question, but is there another way to get an API key with just "Refresh system settings" and "Authenticate" permissions set to yes (everything else set to no)? I went through the whole list and selected "no" for every other permission which was kind of tedious. |
@MarcA711 Please open a Github discussion on the mail-server repository for issues that are not related to fixing the Caddy documentation. Thanks. |
Hello and good day! I would like to participate in this issue and test and improve the configuration for Caddy. Also, hello @MarcA711 from Germany! Maybe we can connect to make Caddy work via 443 and improve the example in the docs? In my scenario, I decided that Stalwart can independently manage ports 25, 465, 993, 587 and (8080). Port 443 should run via Caddy because my server already offers other services on this port via port 443. Caddy and stalwart-mail both use the Let's Encrypt ACME DNS-01 Challenge, so ports 80 and 443 are irrelevant for the certificate. I can already send and receive emails, but everything that has to do with port 443 doesn't work (I think). I'm posting my current config and the associated error messages here: stalwart-mail docker compose YAML
Caddyfile (one of many tries)
Error from Caddy log. IMHO the relevant line is the 502 error:
Error from stalwart-mail log. 172.18.0.2 is the IP from Caddy.
Ps.: Of course, I tested what happens, if I disable Caddy temporary and enable Port 443 in the stalwart-mail docker compose. |
Hey, would be great if we can work on this together. To your error: |
Hi! I tried to replace the line, no change. Errros stay the same. EDIT1: I tried adding the following to the
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Yes, you need to configure a listener for port 443 in stalwarts config.toml. Otherwise stalwart won't bind to port 443. I had it working before with https, but as discussed above using https for proxying on the same machine shouldn't bring any advantage. This is why I switched to unencrypted http. When I used https, I didn't specify these two lines:
Does it work if you remove these? What specific part do you find confusing about the docs or my comment when it comes to binging to ports? |
So I've tried many more configurations. I know a bit more, but I'm not near the solution.
Doesn't make any difference. They get auto-generated, when I save this window: Further on, I tested the following: Still doesn't work. What does work is, when I disable proxy protocol in Caddy. I can immediately reach the admin webinterface through caddy 443.
But when I do that, the stalwart logs looks like this:
And now I'm even more confused. How to read that line? There are my Caddy and my public IP. But I've proxy_protocol disabled. I know from @mdecimus in Discord, that it's very important for stalwart to receive the Original Remote IP on Port 443, to make use of all it's features.
Regarding your question: First: I find it confusing, that the syntax in the docs for proxy protocol look kinda different from what I see in my original local Which one is to current up-to-date working syntax? Second: You also post an example about settings in the config.toml. But how are we expected to add those changes? Is it allowed to edit the file directly? Will webadmin overwrite it? Can I mix manual edits and Web-Gui edits? Every software behaves differently about things like that. Third: I think it's maybe unnecessary complicated to link Stalwart with the cert from Caddy? Conclusion: As soon as I enable proxy protocol, I have the following error in my stalwart log:
Notice, that the public IP is gone now?! |
Hey, I am not sure. Could you post the
I didn't know that your syntax even works. I always used cidr range and specified it in a list rather than a single string with an IP.
I usually edit the file directly, but I also use the webadmin sometimes. Stalwart once reformatted my config without changing any values. So I think mixing is allowed and it is fine to add the lines that I posted above to the config.toml directly.
I guess this depends on what one thinks is more complicated. Configuring DNS-01 in both services or configuring caddy to update the cert for stalwart. The certificate renewal of caddy is very robust and can fallback to different services if let's encrypt doesn't work. Moreover, I don't think that using two certificates for one fqdn is good practice. It might cause issues in combination with dane. But I am not sure. |
Someone in our community noted that the Caddy docs on Stalwart's website were a bit old or unclear/inaccurate.
I am not a Stalwart user but wanted to check if Stalwart does in fact use HTTP? The suggested Caddyfiles proxy HTTP, not raw TCP.
Also, Caddy does support the PROXY protocol as of a while ago: https://caddyserver.com/docs/caddyfile/directives/reverse_proxy#proxy_protocol
For proxying TCP, there's a layer 4 plugin that does this: https://github.com/mholt/caddy-l4
And instead of copying certs with a cron job, Caddy has an eventing system that can be utilized more appropriately. For example: https://github.com/mholt/caddy-events-exec (formal documentation is still forthcoming so it's understandable that this was missed; it's also new).
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